tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703913.post1256889621594195524..comments2023-10-02T04:41:34.722-04:00Comments on Marry in Massachusetts: SSM Morality Play at Suffolk Lawmassmarrierhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02358207247771711952noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703913.post-72115529395812048092008-11-26T14:30:00.000-05:002008-11-26T14:30:00.000-05:00In definition terms, I tend to use sexual orientat...In definition terms, I tend to use sexual orientation, not self-identification, for gay, straight or whatever. I also don't use quotes around any of the common identification terms. That's small beer though.<BR/><BR/>I can't speak for Bud. For me, what was remarkable at the panel was your repeated, pointed mentions, and secondarily what I perceived as the reaction among some of the older men in the audience. From the conversations I overheard before and even during the panel, some of these people have some pretty harsh judgments of homosexuals. I don't think that even in as lofty a context as yours that such sentiments were ones they were likely to have ever uttered.<BR/><BR/>I recognized your lingo and intent to appear open-minded and even transcendent in describing your ability to love. I am not so sure everyone in the audience was so attuned.<BR/><BR/>It did seem a bit prideful, but, hey, we all have our little shtick. <BR/><BR/>I find absolutely nothing wrong with your saying you can love men as well as women, with the clear implication that you were not looking to pick up any male lovers. This particular audience, on the other hand, might have been content to hear that only once and only in passing.massmarrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02358207247771711952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703913.post-18902131961977933922008-11-26T13:22:00.000-05:002008-11-26T13:22:00.000-05:00Thanks for your reply--can you explain Boston Bud'...Thanks for your reply--can you explain Boston Bud's comment:"I had almost forgot about Mad Dad's bizarre moment, at least I wasn't the only one who felt it." What did Bud feel? And why was it a bizarre moment?<BR/>And you did state"..as Parker returned to his man-love theme. Too much information, David..."<BR/><BR/>Interesting-very interesting.<BR/><BR/>We both understand that being "gay" is a self identification of sexual attraction to the same gender-- self identification primarily about human sexuality. No? But we both agree that it is possible to bond deeply with someone of the same gender and not want to be sexually involved. Right? Why is that bizarre to communicate it? <BR/><BR/>David ParkerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703913.post-36055441803639114322008-11-25T17:01:00.000-05:002008-11-25T17:01:00.000-05:00Well, Dr. P, I was not queasy, but the fellow to m...Well, Dr. P, <I>I</I> was not queasy, but the fellow to my right and the one in front of me were. They exhibited the body language — shifting repeatedly, looking down, whispering to their wives and so forth. They had not moved at all until your use of those terms several times, but did with each. I think it was reasonable to judge that your remark was a bit much for them.<BR/><BR/>I am accustomed to such agape/eros talk and was not bothered at all by it. From my experience, that's more standard in evangelical churches, not R.C. or mainline Protestant ones. <BR/><BR/>The two neighboring guys who seemed so uncomfortable were in their mid- to late 60s from their appearance. Perhaps they need more exposure to such fora.massmarrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02358207247771711952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703913.post-64839841777408476542008-11-25T16:38:00.000-05:002008-11-25T16:38:00.000-05:00You write-"Parker made people a little quesy with ...You write-"Parker made people a little quesy with his repeated insistence that he "deeply loved men."<BR/><BR/>I expect your order-of-the-day fastuous analysis of the forum and fastidious critique of my "story", but your comment above really struck me with intrigue. I mentioned love for those of the same gender when a gay man from the audience asserted--"why are we against his "love" of men". But the billion-day-question is- why does it make you feel quesy. Seriously- I want to know. I assume your "gay'- I just can't understand your reaction. Enlighten me.<BR/><BR/>(if you prefer a private E-mail for discussion; I can provide one)<BR/><BR/>David ParkerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703913.post-11375538894682497732008-11-19T06:02:00.000-05:002008-11-19T06:02:00.000-05:00Just so, Bud. Their ideas for strengthening the fa...Just so, Bud. Their ideas for strengthening the family aren't for that at all. They seem overwhelmed or oblivious to divorce, lack of childcare and on and on. Manufacturing a straw man and trying to knock it down is soooooo much easier.massmarrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02358207247771711952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703913.post-50595698528955198872008-11-18T22:57:00.000-05:002008-11-18T22:57:00.000-05:00Great take on the forum. I wish I had known someo...Great take on the forum. I wish I had known someone else there I felt like I was walking into the lion's den.<BR/><BR/>I had almost forgot about Mad Dad's bizarre moment, at least I wasn't the only one who felt it.<BR/><BR/>Kris Mineau also talked about the other threats to marriage yet MFI wasn't planning on attacking them any time soon. They never talked about the low divorce rate in Mass either. Some much for their future of marriageBoston Budhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03694800029213245507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7703913.post-18915210331441740812008-11-18T05:17:00.000-05:002008-11-18T05:17:00.000-05:00I really, really enjoyed this tale. They're so sad...I really, really enjoyed this tale. They're so sad, it's comical. The Reilly bit was a hoot. <BR/><BR/>I don't know how you manage this kind of citizen journalism. I'd be furious listening to those nuts.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04523572927796479670noreply@blogger.com